• Davide Campari

    I wonder what will win! To be honest I’d be pretty satisfied whatever the outcome is.

  • Once again I throw my ballot into the fires of a last place contestant.

  • Kris Pistole

    Go Titanic! You can go all the way!

  • awkward female geek

    I’m really torn but I chose 9/11 because it will more likely be relevant to discussions today and it would be really interesting to hear about the different portrayals of this subject matter from a New Yorker.

    • awkward female geek

      Also I can’t really think of that many 9/11 movies, apparently there are many but I can only think of Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close which I watched with my mom. She liked/loved it, I hated it. And I think one of the reasons she bought it was because of the “nominated for Best Picture” thing on the DVD, ugh. I can’t say that I’m not wanting Lindsay to rip it apart some more…

    • grmpf

      It’d be my pick as well and I agree with your reasons in its favour. I hope I didn’t misunderstand you on the last part, but I think it’s worth mentioning that she didn’t live in New York yet at the time.

      • awkward female geek

        I know that she’s from Tennessee but I’d think that there was a certain mentality in New York years after 9/11, just like it had big effects on the US.

        • grmpf

          Yeah, I agree with that, and 2003 was definitely still very very close. Speaking of, the Titanic and 9/11 are still duking it out while I’m writing this (how’s that for a weird thing to say), but I think we’re getting our winner. I’m not from the US and it’d be really interesting for me to get that kind of perspective now that it has sort of started to become more like an event in history. At least that’s what it feels like over here, even though, yes, I too have seen it still be used as a go-to argument-winner in the primary debates.

          • awkward female geek

            Yay, it won. I’m also not from the US.

  • I threw my vote in, but I feel like these are all worthy.

    I voted for 9/11, if only to get the perspective of a New Yorker.

  • They Call Me The Fizz

    Hmmm… As much fun as it would be to hear Lindsay discuss all the reimaginings and crackpop conspiracy theories of the Titanic’s voyage (like Titanic: Adventure Out of Time where you end up rewriting World War II), I’d much rather see Lindsay take Hollywood’s emotional shorthand of invoking 9/11 out behind the shed and giving it what for…

  • inkylynx

    I voted 9/11 because i was worried Titanic discussion would be dominated
    by the 1997 movie (which Lindsay already reviewed) and the Titanic
    animated musicals (which nothing new can be said about).

  • Jamie Stone

    I’m very interested in the Titanic–the first film was made less than a month after it sank, and the story’s been used for nearly every purpose, including being adapted for Nazi propaganda.

  • Nik Geier

    Damn, I guess I’m in the minority. I’d like to see a proper examination of the Pearl Harbor attack because America so easily lumps it in with 9/11 when it really wasn’t that horrid an act. It was a surprise attack on a military location to militarily cripple a nation flirting with entering a war. Compared to Hiroshima, which we still have the nerve to depict as a pure act of mercy in our culture, Pearl Harbor was flippin’ humanitarian. So it’d be neat to see how our media portrays it.

    • David S.

      Japan was an expansionist empire engaged in war crimes (cf. Rape of Nanking) who wanted the Philippines and thought that a direct attack on Hawaii would scare us of so it could continue its expansion. I’m pretty sure neither the Chinese nor the Filipinos, on whose behalf the US was flirting with entering the war, consider Pearl Harbor “flippin’ humanitarian”.

      • Nik Geier

        Well, you took my statements pretty massively out of context, but that’s probably still true. “Oh, you had a military location get attacked from surprise? That must have been so difficult for you. I don’t know how you survived.” See re: Rape of Nanking.

        I compared Pearl Harbor to Hiroshima. Don’t change the goalposts.

        • David S.

          “Oh, you had a city bombed and 0.1% of your population killed because you refused to surrender after you lost a war you started? That must have been so difficult for you. I don’t know how you survived.” See re: Holocaust where one third of Europe’s Jews and one fourth Europe’s Gypsies were murdered by Japan’s allies.

          It’s not changing the goalposts to ignore an excuse to minimize an action. The Japanese killed 2000 people (soldiers are still people) in an attack on a non-aggressive party in order to further their war of conquest and empire-building. Hiroshima is irrelevant to that.

          To go back to your first comparison, I understand 9/11 happened as part of a cultural, political and sometimes military struggle that has twisted up the Middle East for a century. I don’t think killing 3000 people in terrorist attacks was a moral response, but I think many of bin Laden’s concerns were relevant. Iraq was and is a bloody mess, Afghanistan was still recovering from a US (by proxy)-Soviet war, Israel-Palestine is a mess of humanitarian concerns compounded by fervent religious beliefs of ownership on both sides, etc. The Japanese started a war to grow their empire. They didn’t have relevant concerns; they were just dicks who thought it was okay to kill people so they could increase the glory of the Japanese empire.

          • Nik Geier

            There is way too much simplification here to pick apart tonight, and considering the poll will likely be sending Linsday to the Titanic anyways, it’s just not worth getting into it. But maaan is it hard to resist the urge to take a proper potshot.

          • David S.

            I’m sure it’s not the person who called the killing of 2000 people “flippin’ humanitarian” who needs their simplification picked apart, oh no.

          • Nik Geier

            War is war. Hiroshima killed upwards of 146,000 people. Nagasaki killed up to 80,000. Both hit unarmed civilians, including, obviously, children. You wanna compare the two, those are the numbers you’re working with: 126 to 1.

            Both were launched to eliminate an unfriendly side to avoid a protracted, bloody conflict. Both had questionable roots (you made a big deal about how Japan ‘refused to surrender”, but accounts are mixed and we honestly just don’t have that much information on it anymore). You wanna go on about “flippin’ humanitarian”? You aren’t allowed to take it out of the context of comparison. That is arguing in bad faith.

          • David S.

            “War is war” is an hideously immoral statement. Do you always treat attacks on peaceful neighbors in order to expand an empire so lightly? “To eliminate an unfriendly side to avoid a protracted, bloody conflict” is pretty much the reason for every mob or gang killing.

            I don’t want to compare the two. I consider the comparison irrelevant. If we are to make comparisons, we should ask why Japan doesn’t make movies about the Holocaust, where their allies murdered seven million unarmed civilians, including, especially, children (able-bodied adults got saved for labor). Or hey, closer to home, the 10 to 25 million Chinese civilians that died during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Or maybe what happened to us is remembered stronger than what we did to them, no matter who “us” and “them” is.

            There’s a reason defense attorneys don’t try that tactic. Yes, my client is Brenda Ann Spencer, who shot up a school yard and killed two adults but she’s a “flippin’ humanitarian” compared to John Wayne Gacy. To dismiss the killings of 2000 people as “flippin’ humanitarian”, no matter what the comparison, is going to come off as cruel and inhuman.

          • Nik Geier

            Sorry, but it’s just as cruel and inhuman as any defense of the bombings.

          • The bombings are not part of the poll. You brought them up. And no one offered a defense except to say that they were the end of the war against the power that started the war.

          • Nik Geier

            No one on this comment chain, no. But I wasn’t looking to argue with anyone, just comment on a societal norm.

          • David S.

            Shall we comment on the societal norms that led you to hear Pearl Harbor and think of 250,000 Japanese dead instead of 25 million Chinese dead?

        • Out of context? As a reader I can turn my gaze less than 1 degree and see your comment. This is the context.

  • TheBrett

    I want “Sinking of the Titanic”. There have been a lot of movies made of it, some of them good, some of them just weird (like the Nazi propaganda version).

    • Jana Wolf

      and don’t forget the animated musicals!

      • Lena

        Those are exactly why I voted for ‘Sinking of the Titanic’!

        • THGhost

          Same.

          • Bryan Nimmo

            Those are exactly why we SHOULDN’T vote for Titanic. Lindsay already reviewed the James Cameron movie, Nostalgia Critic already covered those two animated movies in exhaustive detail. Go with 9/11, it’s the one event which the extended Channel Awesome crowd HASN’T talked to death (probably because of the material’s acute case of toosoonitis).

          • THGhost

            I kinda want to see Lindsay suffer through the animated Titanic sequels though 😛

          • Nobody

            There’s another reviewer called Musical Hell who’s reviewed the animated titanic movies, it’s pretty hilarious. But yeah, it’s been done a lot of times, which is why I didn’t vote for it.

  • Nobody

    Since you’ve said in the past that you like Bollywood films, I think it’d be interesting if you included one called New York if 9/11 wins. It’s not the best film ever but it’s a different perspective.

    • Lindsay

      There are a surprising number of Bollywood films on the subject

      • Nobody

        Yes! My Name is Khan is another which comes to mind… I’m sure there are more. Since 9/11 seems to have narrowly won the poll, I hope you cover this angle.

      • Nobody

        I also hope you include Art Spiegelman’s graphic novel, In The Shadow of No Towers! I know there’s a lot of material you could put in the episode but I hope this one merits a mention at least.

  • Stephen “Soup” Strange

    I honestly can’t decide, so I’ll narrow it down.

  • Hayley Woodward

    I chose the Titanic because I immediately thought of that Nazi propaganda version but I also think 9/11 would be interesting since its more current and I wish I’d chosen that now haha

  • Serena

    Remember guys, if we vote for Titanic Lindsey has to watch the two animated movies…

    • Maciej Podwiński

      And perhaps a sequel about Atlantis…

    • Allan Hunt

      … is that a point for or against voting for it?

      • Nik Geier

        For! Make her SUFFER!

  • Emma Inglis

    Whilst examining 9/11 has been nearly done to death, there’s a reason for why that is. Never before has such an event dictated such a huge shift in globalisation and iconography in visual media. The ramifications of it will still be felt decades from now, and not purely in terms of attitudes towards ‘the other’ and terrorism.

  • Salamon2

    I’m voting for the “Sinking of the Titanic” because beyond the James Cameron film, I’d like to see an exploration of the earlier filmography available. 9/11 will have more films made of it in the years to come and as such its better depictions are ahead of us, not behind us. And the “Bombing of Pearl Harbor” is likely to not have as many varied viewpoints at this point to not have the filmography sound similar each time.

  • MicaXIII

    while it does seem to have the most material, I feel like the Titanic has been talked about so much already. I mean, between these three things, it is the easiest to talk about. there’s no controversy to be addressed or discussed (except the classism maybe?) and it’s the oldest incident of the three. it just feels very safe and over-talked-about

  • I am picking the Titanic. I think you may have more options with that one. Not counting just the rapping dog, the dog nosed octopus.

  • dsgrise

    I voted for 9/11; hopefully she will cover the mention of it in the terribleness that is Maradonia. For those who don’t know basically the author uses it as part of a prophecy about two kids going to a magical land. It’s really stupid. Although maybe not notable enough for a mention. I hold onto hope.

  • Brian Cole

    I feel like I sort of got the Titanic treatise from RLM in their Titanic review, since it covered not only the James Cameron film, but also plenty of older adaptations. That’s not to say I wouldn’t like to hear your perspective, or that I have a problem with watching different reviews of the same subject matter. It’s just maybe I haven’t seen what what’s been done with 9/11 in film or about Pearl Harbor aside from the Michael Bay film and it interests me more.

  • tepiduck

    This feels like a lose-lose-lose situation.

  • Ryan Storey

    This was a really hard one to decide on, because all three of these “Things” are really interesting to me, but I voted 9/11 because it will be interesting to see how such a recent event is depicted in media (and it’s still too recent and sensitive to be depicted in American media).

    That being said, I hope you’ll do Pearl Harbor and the Titanic at a later point in time.

    • Sam Huddy

      I gotta go 9/11 because I wrote a script about it and the persistent fear that it would keep happening.

  • MarkoP

    Voted for Pearl Harbor mostly so that you can mention that episode of Freakazoid.

  • lgb

    I voted for 9/11 because I am kind of curious how it’s been handled in media, I’ve only ever seen it done once in the movie United 93 so I’m curious about what other ways it’s popped up in the last 15 years, with it being the most recent of the 3 it’d be interesting seeing who handled the touchy topic well, and who really shouldn’t have gone anywhere near it.

  • Xavier Gray

    I’d say the sinking of the Titanic should get my vote.

  • Aza Smith

    Loose Canon: The Boogeyman

    * Bogeyman (Folklore)

    * Boogeyman (The Real Ghostbusters)

    * Mirror Ghost with a Stocking on his head (The Boogeyman 1980)

    * Oogie Boogie (The Nightmare Before Christmas)

    * Boogeyman (Grim Adventures in Wonderland)

    * Boogeymen (Boogeyman 2005, 2008 and 2009)

    * Pitch Black (Rise of the Guardians)

    Just something to think about.

  • David Tetreau

    Hey, I just wanted to say I think these Loose Canon things are fantastic. They’re really insightful and just so damned entertaining. You’re awesome and should feel awesome!

  • Baharuddin Maghfur

    9/11 Definitely.
    Please not sinking of the titanic. makes me remember that god awful movie.

  • OldDadGrungehead

    9/11 would be an interesting topic to see her tackle. Sometimes though, I miss those Nostalgia Chick days when she had Elisa, Todd & Nella with her helping her do the reviews. They were fun, insightful and hilarious. I wish I was a billionaire, coz I would just fund the crew to keep making more as a team.

  • Helena

    I’d love to see more of “a thing that happened” canons, I could have
    voted for Titanic AND Pearl harbor, I think it’s so interesting how real
    life tragedy will always influence films after a while. Last week at
    school I saw a movie about Columbine (it was pretty bad, I don’t even
    remember the name, it was too christian) and realized how much
    Columbine, like 9/11, is a canon of sorts. I’m not even American but
    people talk about it everywhere.

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