Work and Compensation: You can’t have it both ways.

I want to do a separate post in response to a (perhaps inevitable) comment on the Facebook thread re: my new Patreon for Loose Canon. Though it wasn’t the most polite comment, it’s something I’ve given a lot of thought to as the paradigm shifts vis-à-vis what is perceived as acceptable means of making money. Loose Canon is only a few episodes old and is still growing, audience-wise, but it seems to be well-liked enough for the people who watch it. Thing is it takes a VERY long time to produce each episode, much longer than it did for a Nostalgia Chick episode. Therefore, it felt fair to me to make a dedicated Patreon for that show alone.

But there is more to it than that, considering there is a bit of a culture being built around Patreon, as well as a backlash (some of which is not completely undeserved). I won’t go into specifics for other people and how they choose to run their Patreons, however, I can only do so for myself.

“Why can’t you get a real job?” is a common rebuttal not only to Patreon and “e-begging,” but to the notion of making a living off of online content in general. Well, friend, I CAN. And in fact, I very often do. This is why my output in 2014 was so small compared to previous years–I was working jobs outside of the Internet and YouTube, mostly as an Assistant Editor in TV projects. Life is expensive. I gots to pay for it somehow.

In the interim I had a LOT of comments asking me why my output had slowed or stopped. The answer was simple: I didn’t have time. I was working other jobs; I have to pay rent.

There were several reasons for this, but primary among them is this: since 2011, ad RPM (this being revenue per thousand views) has plummeted. Funny thing is, even though I’m no longer with Channel Awesome, when you factor in League of Super Critics (and I’m not talking about the motherfuckers over there who host my videos illegally), more eyeballs than ever are seeing my videos, and I have never made less money off of ad revenue. Unless you have views in the millions and millions per month, it’s almost impossible to scratch out even a modest living on YouTube.

It’s okay to find crowdsourcing platforms like Patreon off-putting. That’s fine. But you cannot expect a content producer to continue working for you. You cannot say “I want you to produce more reviews” and in the same breath “I don’t approve of the way you get paid.” You cannot have it both ways.

2015 will be something of an experiment for me. I’ve spent most of the last year freelancing in the world of TV and indie film, so now, now independent of the website which I’ve called home my entire online career, I’m going to try my hand at this again. My situation is very different now from when I was with Channel Awesome; I don’t know what to expect. My most recent freelance job is finishing up now, and my contract with Maker has just renewed. I’m going to try to produce videos regularly again–Loose Canon among them, but not ONLY that. I have another, more YouTube friendly show in development, for Super Critics and also BOYA on our nascent Chez Apocalypse channel.

But the feasibility for my being able to support myself by making online video are very, very different than they were three years ago. Patreon gives possibilities for a more subscription-based model. Like NPR, I’m here whether you donate or not, but donating does help.

The long and short is this: If it turns out that I can’t continue to make a living doing this, then I will move on. That is an option that is always available to me, but I won’t be able to produce videos regularly anymore. I know that will disappoint some, and others will count that as a victory, but it’s a simple reality of living in a society where landlords generally frown upon rent not being paid.

But you cannot demand that I produce more content and then cry foul at the means by which I am compensated. You cannot have it both ways.

  • Why would someone who wants more of your comment complain about a way to donate money to you?

    Aversions to donating money easily on the internet — especially to people whose work you enjoy — makes you sound like a Luddite.

  • This is exactly why I joined the Patreon for Loose Cannon as soon as I saw the e-mail.

    You are my favorite content creator on the internet of any genre and no one else comes close. I want to contribute what I can to your work when I can. Not because I demand it, but because I appreciate it and I am grateful for whatever and whenever you are able. I would love to see Loose Cannon and Chez Apocalypse get the point where you don’t have to seek real-world employment like the rest of us schlubs. But until then? Adding to the Loose Canon Patreon?

    Consider it done.

  • Logan Graham

    I miss the stuff you did as Nostalgia Chick, more than from Nostalgia Critic.

  • Many complaints I see regarding Patreon tend to be something along the lines of “why should I pay for something I can get for free?” – firstly, as you mentioned, there’s these things called ‘bills’ that need to be paid, and secondly – nobody is forcing you. Nobody has a gun to your head and saying you have to.

    I, and I’m sure many others, subscribe to a content creator’s Patreon (I do hate the word ‘donate’ in such contexts), out of appreciation for the work they do. It’s not just “stupid online videos” – it’s a form of entertainment just as valid as any other, and one which I have no qualms about paying for. If someone’s going to expend a great deal of effort (and money) creating amusing and intellectually stimulating content, then I think it’s more than worth the price of subscription.

    • Kayla Ann Suverkrubbe

      The problem with patreon and that ends up rubbing a lot of people the wrong way is that some people get the money and then never really deliver much of what was promised. Especially if the person says they are going to create ‘more impressive content’ and then it’s the exact same. Or promising that they are going to start up a new website or forum or video series and then never really doing that, until it fades into obscurity.

      The main issue is that you are taking a gamble because there isn’t really a check on whether you do with the money what you said you would do , other than the complaints from fans.

      I can understand why people have a negative feeling towards patreon, especialy when people start asking for equipment, beyond what they actually need. (especially if they already make decent money)

      Anyway, I am not ragging on Patreon. I think it’s an awesome idea and most of the users are probably really going to use the money for what they say and care about delivering content to their fan base. I am just saying why people may be hesitant. The ‘get a real job’ argument is dumb, but the ‘do you really need this ‘ argument is not. Lindsey obviously isn’t the youtube person raking in the money AND I do believe she really needs the money to make videos.

      As an artist, I would love if art could get more public funding , and have considered it myself. 🙂 I think there is a select few ruining it for everyone….But that is with anything. And I always say that if people want to give up their money, why are we complaining about where it goes to? lol.

      • I definitely see that side of it, especially with per month/per week donations not tied to output. Honestly, my preferred approach is to back on a per-video basis, and I think that’s where Patreon works best. Even with that said, though, it’s up to the individual content creator’s discretion what system they use, and that of the people who back them.

        I’ve toyed with the idea of a Patreon for some time to help bring in a little money from what I do online – I’m a CG animator (which pretty much requires expensive equipment, in the form of a high-end workstation) who occasionally makes videos about stuff in the guise of the “Critic Core” – but I don’t know if it’s something I’ll actually go ahead with. I think most of my concerns intertwine with what you said about maybe people wouldn’t feel they were getting their money’s worth.

      • Amy Trevaskis

        unlike Kickstarter I don’t think Patreon is really dependent on promises/conditions
        you’re not buying a pitch or promise…your supporting the artist in good faith, your saying “I like what you do and I want to pitch in to help”

  • Sailor Banana

    I hope the majority of people who are complaining are children (or manchildren) who live with their parents and don’t have to pay rent. They don’t understand how the world works and that in order for you to have time to make videos you are sacrificing time you could be spending on work that will pay the bills.

    As a fellow content creator, I feel like pointing out that the way most YouTube channels stay afloat if they can’t make that millions of views every month is via sponsors and product placement. I have a returning monthly sponsor who pays me almost equal to what I earn in CPM a month for just one video. That very much helps. I feel slimy doing it, depending on the sponsor, but it makes my work possible. Just something to consider if Patreon ain’t cutting it either. I’m sure if you talk to somebody at Maker they can hook you up.

    • Lindsay

      At the risk of attracting the attention of certain “ethics in journalism” sects, product placement makes me very uncomfortable. I’m a movie reviewer, and getting paid by studios and theaters… it doesn’t sit right with me. Needless to say most of the stuff Maker throws at me product placement-wise is movie-related.

      I take some of the offers Maker throws at me, but never have yet for in-video, and I don’t imagine that I will for reasons outlined above. But it would entirely depend on the product and the context.

      • Kayla Ann Suverkrubbe

        I have heard one other youtuber who talked about this issue and he said he only took product placement offers for video games that he knew he liked. That way he didn’t feel like he had to lie about the ones he didn’t.

        It’s such an interesting issue to have to tackle.

    • Kinsey

      As someone who agrees with you w.r.t. needing money to make stuff, nevertheless it’s poor form to stereotype those you disagree with or play on them to help your argument.

  • Christopher Carrig

    I haven’t donated yet, but it is on my To-Do list after I watch the Loose Canon episodes I haven’t seen. I loved the Starscream one, and I love most of the OP’s content in general. I hand out money to Patreon on a very, very stingy basis, and I recently scaled back even that much. But I will probably donate because as much as I love Lindsay, I don’t always agree with everything she says, and trying to figure out why is what keeps me honest. I learn as much as I’m entertained, and that’s worth more money than I can throw at it.

  • Zach Krishef

    Wonderful post. I really wish I could donate, but I can’t.

    • Lindsay

      It is totally okay either way! It’s not a given that people donate! I like you either way. 🙂

      • Zach Krishef

        Thank you.

  • Guss Aznable

    If you make spanish subtitles in your vids I’ll make you queen of the internet, in the meantime I wont pay for something I understand halfway… think about it, Latin America is millions and millions of posible viewers

    • Cesar Pinedo

      I did that for a few of my videos. It takes time to transcribe the transcript on top of translating what you’re saying properly. At the very least, create subtitles for YouTube videos and let YouTube try to translate those subtitles for you.

      • Guss Aznable

        If you want money work for it. Youtube translation sucks.

    • wnc

      You make a good point, but translations cost money. The additional profit would have to be worth the cost of paying someone to do it for every video.

  • AKA The Riggleton

    I find it sort of stupid to criticize people for having a profession that creates stuff they enjoy. It’s like criticizing people who pick up your garbage for getting dirty or fast food workers for not having a “real job.” If you like not wallowing in your own garbage and also being able to get tacos made by someone else at 2:00 in the morning, someone needs to get that shit done and get paid for it.

  • Dresuka

    I want to start off by saying I have thoroughly enjoyed Loose Canon, despite it still being in it’s infancy (your episode on Hades I loved especially, expressing how much would require embarrassing myself to a ridiculous extent). As meaningless to you as it is I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to produce content for us.

    Hence why patreon always makes me feel conflicted. If I had the means to I’d be paying all your rent for you because goddammit you deserve that. But being a full time unemployed student doesn’t net much in the way of cash, so my choice is between you and…eating. Sorry, eating trumps supporting random internet person. At the very least I turn my adblocking off when I visit your site, so you get a few fractions of a cent.

    For what it’s worth I just wanted to say thankyou for the time and effort you put into what you do. It will always be appreciated. For your work in online video I hope it can find the nourishment it need to grow and bloom. And whatever you choose to do in life I hope that you can enjoy it.

    • As another content creator, I can tell you the other thing you can do for projects you like is tell your friends about them. Word of mouth isn’t the ONLY thing about being successful online, but when there’s so much competition for views it can really help.

  • Ryan Storey

    While money is a bit tight right now, I would love to donate to you in the near future. I never could conjure up the words to explain why the arguments “Get a real job” or “Stop e-begging” are invalid and very ignorant of how the real world works. First of all, what is a “real job”? I hate to break it to you people, but by definition, if you are receiving a paycheck for producing/selling a product or performing a service, however small it may be, then that is employment and a “real job”.

    I feel like these people complaining about that expect everybody to fall in line and work menial jobs that are considered normal. Not to knock those jobs, someone has to do them, right? But if you have a passion for this and you have the means and skills to do so, then why shouldn’t you pursue it?

    I also feel like those people complaining are hypocrites because they will watch you for free, even though you producing videos is your job. But the moment you simply ask for meager donations— not charging a sudden fee— people start railing against content-creators by telling them to get a “real job”. You’re right, we can’t have it both ways.

    Thanks for the enlightenment, Lindsay. And thanks for not backing down, even though man-child ignoramuses on the internet probably give you good reason to do so.

    • “Get a real job!” = “How dare you make a living doing something I’m not good at!”

      • Ryan Storey

        That kind of reminds me of that small joke in Suburban Knights where everyone on TGWTG is in their costumes and are about to walk off “to adventure”, only to have several cars pass by screaming, “Get a job, hippies!”

        The irony is that…. this was their job. XD

      • ZClare

        How dare you not be inflicted to the awful routine life I’ve found myself stuck in! Everyone must be as miserable as I am!

    • Lindsay

      #currentmood

      • Ryan Storey

        Hey, that picture has my name printed in really diminutive print! 😀

        I don’t know why I’m pointing this out, but that’s so cool!

      • Kayla Ann Suverkrubbe

        Feeling: Spicy 😀

      • Kollander Joseph

        You’re…. possessed by an all powerful cosmic force which is ultimately going to lead to your demise, but death isn’t really a big deal because you live in the marvel universe where everyone basically has a punch card for that sort of thing and on your third time around you get a free snow cone?

        That’s a complex mood to have.

    • First of all, what is a “real job”?

      Indeed. What I do for a living is far less labour-intensive than producing videos at the level of those our gracious host provides (to the point that I have time to read on the clock), but because I have a wage provided at a set rate by a corporation that somehow makes it “real”. How does that even begin to make sense?

  • Kraas

    I actually rather like Patreon. Granted I’m not exactly able to dump a ton of money into it every month (dat rent, dat car, dat etc.) but I like it a lot better than having to endure a glut of ads. And I could never fault anyone for wanting to get paid for what they enjoy doing. If I could get paid for sitting on my ass and playing video games for a living then hell yes I would do that.

    • As someone who uses Patreon as a content creator, it’s been WAY better than just having a paypal link on my website. Creating a credible system of support has been very helpful for cultivating my (very small) viewership to support the show.

  • dstrimple

    By the way, which platform would you prefer people watch your videos? Youtube or Blip?

    • Lindsay

      It honestly doesn’t matter, but I won’t see any comments you leave if you leave them on YouTube or Blip- chezapocalypse.com is best in that regard.

      • De

        Chezapocalypse is my internet home away from home. It has it’s quirks but it’s a great website content wise and a comfortable place for discussion.

  • rickdidaz

    Some people literally make money out of shaking their ass, I suppose there is nothing wrong with asking for money to produce actual informative content.

  • KnifeInkReviews

    As someone who is very interested in donating in the future, I was wondering if you are planning on just creating a Patreon account for Loose Canon, or will you also create accounts for other projects you do? I’d love to donate (whatever keeps you making videos!) but I was wondering where it would be most helpful for me to contribute money.

    • Lindsay

      Right now, just Loose Canon. I’m going to try to make it on ad revenue (or in the case of BOYA, plain ‘ol passion project-ing) for everything else.

      • KnifeInkReviews

        Great, thanks! Consider it done. I’m not sure I’ll be able to keep it up forever (I’m in college) but if it makes it easier for you to make videos, I’ll gladly offer support. You’re honestly incredible.

        • Lindsay

          Thank you so much!

  • Lauren Scheier

    I’m so glad Patreon is around now because it allows some of my favorite reviewers to be properly compensated for their work. As you all should be! I’m sorry that people are being assholes.

    I love Loose Cannon and all of the other content on Chez. I’m looking forward to what the future holds!

  • Booklover13

    I feel it’s also important to mention your patreon is per video. So I know I’m not in a situation where I donate monthly for videos and get no videos. I really like that model in general.

    I like patreon because I like to use ad-block to keep out malicious ads. If I give someone money on patreon or elsewhere, I don’t have to be hyper aware of whether or not I remembered to white-list someone’s site, I already gave them more money then that. In general I try to watch the ads or donate in some way.

  • Brett Dupree

    I agree. I think people are just jealous because they wish they can make youtube videos for a living and they don’t realize how much work it takes to make them good. I am entertained by so many, and I believe they should be able to make a living bringing me joy and entertainment. Real jobs are for suckers anyways.

  • What’s interesting to me is that people just don’t want to pay for things that they can “get for free” but it’s never been “free.” Sure, in the early days we could just watch a Nostalgia Chick on youtube without any adds, but we had do deal with bad sound and a less than great camera (I love your early work, Lindsay, I hope that doesn’t come off as terribly rude.) But as Lindsay’s skill and resources evolved, the online review community evolved too. These people we started watching years ago are not “building a platform” anymore, they’re established shows with demanding audiences at this point. To ask people to continue to work “for free” is to ask them to become stagnant as creators as well, because who’s going to put out improved content with no benefit (or ability to earn money for their hard work.) A cable subscription also comes with the need to have commercials, streaming services have subscription fees, content producers have patreon supporters. I love my job, but I sure as hell wouldn’t keep showing up every day if I weren’t getting compensated for it. The internet has made us all so damned entitled. Pay for your entertainment once and a while!

    • Lindsay

      No offense taken – my early work embarasses the hell out of me for that reason. the camera/sound was TERRIBLE

  • Tomas

    I’m reminded a little bit of a situation that happened back in ’01/’02. Webcomic artist Randy Milholland was getting bitched at by his readers because his updates were sporadic and he basically told them he had to work. but if they were serious to put their money where their mouth was – if they’d donate X amount (I don’t remember what it was), he’d quit his job and work full time on the comic.

    • De

      It actually worked, he’s been supporting himself off his comic for a few years now. I think the comic’s quality has gone way up too. Though I also note that he put that blue thing in the comic after not getting enough donations to buy new shoes…

  • Allan Hunt

    Being someone who knows pretty much nothing about Patreon, is it possible to set it up so that whenever a certain creator (ie. you) puts up a video, it does the pay thing? Like, regardless of whether it’s for Loose Canon or any of your other projects, current or future?

    • Lindsay

      well, the way Patreon works is that it will ONLY charge you for this particular series. If you want to contribute in a more general way, maybe check out the Chez Apocalypse patreon?

      • Allan Hunt

        No disrespect to Rantasmo and the rest intended, but I don’t really view much of their work. Not that it’s not good, it is, just not to my personal taste, and while I am in a moderately secure position at the moment, I’d rather be a bit more targeted. So I’ll probably just support Loose Canon for the moment, with an eye to Chez Apocalypse more generally in the future if my situation stays steady.

  • Cesar Pinedo

    I don’t think most people know how hard it is to make entertaining videos for YouTube. I think a lot of the people who say “get a real job” say that because they’re jealous that they aren’t talented enough to work from home and have people willingly pay them for entertainment…in a nonsexual way (not that’s there anything wrong with being a pornstar or prostitute.) I’ve made a few videos while having a “real job” and its very difficult trying to find time between reviewing a subject, writing a script, gathering materials, recording, editing, “proof reading” the final product, on top of working an eight hour job, stay connected with relationship and doing other things you enjoy. A simple three part review for me has turned into what I think will end up being a five part review and I’ve only finished three parts since I released the first part in July of 2014.

    If someone can get paid directly for their work, that’s a great thing! I may not be able to contribute (stupid taxes) but I understand the people who bring me so many hours of laughs and wit need to eat too.

  • Toli Bera

    I hope to be able to pitch in soon, I gotta get a better paying job so I can help all the people I want to.

  • Matthew Blair

    Artists should be paid plain and simple. In fact, allowing artists to make a comfortable living off of their art will only increase the quality of their work, after all it’s much easier to create something when you don’t have to worry about where your next meal will come from. Besides, all this hate about Patreon is ridiculous since patronage of the arts has been around since time began, it’s just more widely available now.

  • g1991mug

    will you have new talent auditoins on your site

  • ZClare

    Have just pledged, I look forward to more Loose Cannon videos 😀
    I hope you continue being able to work at what you love, from someone else who would really love to be able to leave my 9-5 in favor of what wouldn’t be considered a real job.

  • TheBrett

    I’m glad they came up with Patreon, and that you set one up. It’s nice to be able to automatically reward the creators of content with something other than page-views, especially since (as you mentioned) your stuff is getting stolen and reposted all over the place without consent or compensation.

  • Justin

    I think a lot of the problem is that people have issues with what they do versus what they WISH they did. They want to have a job doing something they like and that gets them respect, but they don’t want to see someone else do it and make money.

  • Amy Trevaskis

    I’d be interested on your opinion of Patreon and its “issues”
    personally I don’t see why people can their panties in a twist over it….you produce content, content takes time and money, one deserves compensation for said content if there is a willing consumer
    I think (especially with a name like e-begging) it triggers peoples ‘welfare scab” mentality, the money is not gotten in a traditional way and because some of us still don’t view internet based content as “legit”
    if I make a comic and it is published over Darkhoarse or Image…I might not make a lot but I’m getting paid for it, to them its a tangible “job” (because the money comes through traditional means) and that’s ok
    if I create a webcomic that becomes popular enough to get a decent amount through patreon all of a sudden its “begging” to be paid for a “frivolous internet thing” even though hypothetically my work is of no lesser quality, payment is merely optional. I’m not entitled to a living wage BUT I am entitled to the chance to make some money

  • Brea May

    I just got into a film school after spending a lot of years watching your videos in my adolescence. I watched some of your videos and breakdowns obsessively, it was obviously nerdy. I got to say that putting in some money into your career for me seems natural, as in I was honestly asking myself ‘how can I give Lindsay Ellis money to create content?’ today because you did so much cool stuff for me personally and inspired me so much.

    Which makes it so much better to see your new shows only get more broad and cool, and I think it’s totally worth it to donate money for this. Loose Canon is more engaging than ever, and I’m pretty excited to see you talk more about things on camera.

    and y’know, thank you. You probably don’t hear that enough.

    • Lindsay

      thank you!! that was very sweet of you to say 🙂

  • I wonder if the people raging about this realize just how dismal ad revenue is. Even juggernaut vloggers like the Green Brothers and their many projects have used crowdsourcing for certain series because ads only make so much, even when watched hundreds of thousands of times.

    • TheWynne

      Yeah, I know youtube started a lot of shows like Crash Course with grants, in the hopes that they would eventually become self-sustaining through ads, but even the ones that ARE successful still ended up needing subscriptions/outside funding to keep afloat.

  • Nicholas Druminor

    It baffles me how much entitlement people have. You are creating content that they don’t have to pay for if they don’t want to, and they are whining because you ask them to-if they want-donate a little bit of money so that you can continue to create content.

  • fantastyfreak

    I have no reservations to donating money, particularly to individuals whose work I know took them a lot of time and thought to put out reasonably excellent content and material. I’ll probably be putting my support soon behind Loose Canon. Even with my reasonably small budget, it’s worth it to me to throw my support behind you!

  • JillyBean

    Just became a patron, but wanted to let you know you might want to resize the picture of your adorable puppy on the thank you page, its stretching the lay out like no bodies buissness. Puppy is very cute though.

    • De

      Yeah, I noticed that too. You have to scroll a long ways to find Kali’s nose.

      • Lindsay

        FULL REZ PUP

    • Lindsay

      thanks for letting me know! I just assumed Patreon would resize automatic-like.

  • De

    I think there might be a demographics problem. I notice anything that has to do with videogames tends to get thousands of dollars a month on patreon while most others struggle to get a few hundred. I think it’s because to be a gamer you have to have a lot of spare income to begin with, while Lindsay’s videos appeal to students, writers and artists. In other words, people with either no income or, at best, an irregular one. My mom makes mezzotints and encountered this problem as well. The only people who felt like they ought to pay for her prints were other members of the Crafts League, other people only scraping together an income in other words. We’d do fairs and the customers would come along in shorts and t-shirts and ask all about the process and then complain about the price saying things like “I could do that at home you know, a hundred dollars is ridiculous.” And then the sorts of people who runs galleries and shops would come in and say “Your prices are too low, nobody will consider you fine art unless you’re charging at least five times your current price.” Neither would buy anything.

    • Lindsay

      That is true, and I’d rather keep it like that. My work suffers when I try to be what I’m not.

      That said, LC doesn’t have the brand recognition Nostalgia Chick did. Give it time-hopefully it’ll grow. 🙂

      • De

        No, I wasn’t suggesting changing. My brother has a saying “Pigs and frogs, cats and dogs, that’s how you make money.” Doesn’t stop my mom from sticking to prints of birds almost exclusively. I was just bemoaning the fact that creativity and intelligence don’t get rewarded; it’s habit by this point.

    • Alan Michael

      I support a group called “pretty much it” on Patreon, and they do movie news and commentaries etc, and they have a fairly good following ($4k+ and growing). I could be called a gamer, and just don’t support them on patreon, my true passion lies in film and online content, which is why I will become Lindsay’s newest patron! Keep on creatin Lindsay!! (sorry for the super late reply)

      • De

        I didn’t mean to imply that gamers don’t support other art forms. I back Extra Credits and the game reviewer Matt Lees myself (a decision that has everything to do with his humorous and insightful criticism and nothing to do with how well he can pull off a poofy pink princess dress, I swear). I just think there’s a demographics difference.

  • will2bill

    Crazy to criticize someone who is working for getting paid for that work. I love your reviews, and the new loose canon stuff, so I should pay for that. If the mere act of watching isn’t cutting it it makes so much sense for there to be something like Patreon to compensate you. I’m definitely going to contribute to Loose Canon now there’s an option.

  • Meg

    Oh Lindsay you make me feel so guilty 🙁 I really love your and all of Chez’s videos and I’ve been a fan for a long time, and I wish I could afford to donate to your Patreon. When I have a job…. *starry eyes* But I appreciate this reminder, because *horror of horrors* I forgot to un-Adblock Chez when you switched over to it! O.O So while I can’t give you the real monies at this point, please accept my few pennies of ad revenue! I will watch ads on your videos over and over in apology xD

    Question- Do you get a better rate for ads from youtube, or the main Chez site?

    • Subbable has been acquired by Patreon. I just found out today.

      • Meg

        Well. That changes things.

  • I only wish I had the income to patreonize (is that the word?) all the creators I love. (What’s always held me back is the idea that they’d take my donations automatically, when I never know how much money I’ll bring home week to week, even when I’m not between jobs.) I wish you all the luck, Lindsay. You’re at the top of my to-patron list when I’m working again.

  • Jimmy1337

    Why has youtube AD revenue been falling anyway? I googled it but didn’t find much.

  • Chubby Cyborg

    Honestly, given that I’ve seen so many content creators have to give up over the years because they couldn’t fund websites or take time away from “real jobs” and are just fed up with trying to get people to understand why they can’t update, I think Patreon campaigns are a great option. The folks that bitch about how it’s underhanded or scamming, are probably the same people that didn’t try to promote or support creators in the first place. Rock it Lindsay!

  • Ayisha

    I can understand people feeling uncomfortable with the “e-begging”. I take it as being a bit of a faux pas but that doesn’t in anyway mean that I think what Lyndsey does isn’t a “real job”. To make a living off of online content is a lot more difficult than a majority of us would think . I myself am living on what you’d call a ‘student’s budget’. That being said, I will give what I can. Onward Ho!

  • Harry

    Lindsay,

    I’ve followed your stuff on Channel Awesome almost since the beginning and its been a real pleasure to watch your content grow and mature. It’s funny how entitled the internet culture can be, and when people demand free and high quality content, only to balk at the idea of compensation I just want to rub my temples and sigh.

    It’s the same thing that a lot of artist and creative types go through on a regular basis. John Q. likes your product but doesn’t respect you enough to pay for it. As an actor working my way through college right now, I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to have people come up and say “Oh can you be in this? Can you MC that?” only to have them sheepishly shrug when I ask about being paid.

    Obviously that’s not the exact same thing as your situation, but I find it ridiculous that you face flack for trying to turn your talent for writing and producing content into something that generates more then just a good feeling for yourself.

    I wish I could donate, but I really am broke, and I realize saying that is about as helpful as saying “Why are you asking for money, blah blah blah.” Still, I think you’re in the right here, and the internet is ripe for all sorts of new ideas and new methods for creative output. So while I can’t offer money, I can at least back you up on this point.

    In any case I love your writing, and I hope that this foray back into the world of internet videos on popular media is successful for you.

  • usagijojo

    Hey Lindsay, may I ask you a quick question about online harassment and bullying?

  • Charles Phipps

    Patreon forever as long as it means you make more videos!

  • Some Punk

    That’s cool. I hope 2015 is profitable enough that you can keep doing this.

  • Kenton

    But Lindsay, you’re an artist! You don’t have to pay rent! 😉

    • Lindsay

      I see what you did there

  • I love the things you do, Lindsay. That is all I came to say.

  • Scott Parker

    Hi Lindsay, brand new fan here… I found the League of Super Critics youtube channel and saw your Loose Cannon for Mad Max and I became an instant fan! money is super tight as I’m disabled but I will donate when I can.. Good Luck and keep up the great work!

  • BeholdTheExtinction .

    Ugh, I can’t stand this “get a real job” crap, as if they think you gotta be working for “the man” otherwise it’s not legit. They just hate the fact they’re stuck in some 9-5 job chained to a desk in some stingy office. Or the even bigger arseholes who think only manual, physical labor is “real work”. *massive eye roll*

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